Bush signed a bill shredding the facade of liberty in the U$A today

On the day that corporations and the U$ government officially merged: aka passage of telecom immunity under FISA reauthorization.

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[7/10/2008 9:39:28 PM] Idacta says: Hi, this is the chat.
[7/10/2008 9:39:43 PM] hypatia says: yo
[7/10/2008 9:39:47 PM] oz says: (devil)
[7/10/2008 9:40:19 PM] Smartquestions says: Oh boy Oz! Your ready to go, hey!?!?
[7/10/2008 9:40:30 PM] hypatia says: (hug)
[7/10/2008 9:40:59 PM] hypatia says: how cool!
[7/10/2008 9:41:38 PM] kalena says: We’re (*)s.
[7/10/2008 9:41:48 PM] oz says: (talk)
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[7/10/2008 9:42:40 PM] hypatia says: I loved going to Green Party plenaries. All meetings are chaired by both a man and a woman.
[7/10/2008 9:42:49 PM] hypatia says: It’s a whole different vibe.
[7/10/2008 9:42:59 PM] LegalCharades says: looks like it
[7/10/2008 9:43:05 PM] hypatia says: Van Jones from Ella Baker Center???
[7/10/2008 9:43:17 PM] hypatia says: Van is awesome. Everyone should get to hear him.
[7/10/2008 9:43:24 PM] kalena says: http://www.uua. org/events/ generalassembly/ 2008/commonthrea ds/115749. shtml Link to Van Jones Video
[7/10/2008 9:43:27 PM] hypatia says: I would love to work for him.
[7/10/2008 9:43:37 PM] hypatia says: He’s in Oakland, CA
[7/10/2008 9:43:55 PM] oz says: Hi lc
[7/10/2008 9:44:07 PM] LegalCharades says: hi how are you
[7/10/2008 9:44:14 PM] oz says: oh a little gassy
[7/10/2008 9:44:18 PM] oz says: the usual
[7/10/2008 9:45:23 PM] oz says: why?
[7/10/2008 9:45:31 PM] oz says: It was a greaT VOTE
[7/10/2008 9:45:32 PM] oz says: LOL
[7/10/2008 9:45:35 PM] oz says: fOR THEM
[7/10/2008 9:45:47 PM] oz says: TRAITORS!
[7/10/2008 9:45:58 PM] oz says: PELOSI !
[7/10/2008 9:46:09 PM] LegalCharades says: 21 Dems in the Senate voted for it all the Republicans voted for it
[7/10/2008 9:46:22 PM] oz says: AND hILLARY VOTED AGAINST IT
[7/10/2008 9:46:25 PM] oz says: lol
[7/10/2008 9:46:31 PM] LegalCharades says: 28 Dems voted against it
[7/10/2008 9:46:32 PM] oz says: of course
[7/10/2008 9:46:38 PM] oz says: big mistake on his part
[7/10/2008 9:46:47 PM] oz says: politically stupis
[7/10/2008 9:46:54 PM] LegalCharades says: 105 Dems in the House voted for it
[7/10/2008 9:47:05 PM] hypatia says: A friend said last night that the candidates are controlled by their big donors.
[7/10/2008 9:47:12 PM] LegalCharades says: No Republican voted against it
[7/10/2008 9:47:19 PM] hypatia says: So one of Obama’s big donors twisted his arm.
[7/10/2008 9:47:33 PM] hypatia says: Not even Arlen Specter? He was hot!
[7/10/2008 9:48:30 PM] LegalCharades says: What about the pukes?
[7/10/2008 9:48:37 PM] hypatia says: Specter wondered when Congress was going to declare independence from the Executive Branch.
[7/10/2008 9:48:47 PM] LegalCharades says: only 1 puke voted against it in the Senate
[7/10/2008 9:48:54 PM] LegalCharades says: none in the House
[7/10/2008 9:49:12 PM] oz says: They are foolish
[7/10/2008 9:49:24 PM] hypatia says: why should anything be different now
[7/10/2008 9:49:33 PM] hypatia says: most people in lala land most of the time
[7/10/2008 9:49:42 PM] oz says: its not even about the money
[7/10/2008 9:49:50 PM] oz says: its about power
[7/10/2008 9:50:10 PM] LegalCharades says: Warrants are still required
[7/10/2008 9:50:40 PM] oz says: (puke)
[7/10/2008 9:50:50 PM] hypatia says: We slapped Conyers around last October for a half an hour at the National Lawyers Guild convention.
[7/10/2008 9:51:03 PM] hypatia says: He’s a great friend to humanity most of the time.
[7/10/2008 9:51:16 PM] hypatia says: Someone sat on Conyers.
[7/10/2008 9:51:25 PM] oz says: and pooped
[7/10/2008 9:51:38 PM] hypatia says: They wanted to stall impeachment until it would cripple Bush the least.
[7/10/2008 9:51:57 PM] hypatia says: Now, it will not stop one Bush executive order or appointment.
[7/10/2008 9:52:20 PM] hypatia says: But they would get political brownie points for doing the “right thing.”
[7/10/2008 9:52:28 PM] oz says: I agree Idacta
[7/10/2008 9:52:30 PM] hypatia says: lol oz
[7/10/2008 9:52:35 PM] oz says: its crap!
[7/10/2008 9:52:37 PM] oz says: yes
[7/10/2008 9:52:44 PM] oz says: you bet!
[7/10/2008 9:52:50 PM] oz says: facisim
[7/10/2008 9:52:50 PM] hypatia says: that’s what all the Demo candidates have done since Clinton
[7/10/2008 9:52:56 PM] hypatia says: appease the fascists
[7/10/2008 9:53:07 PM] oz says: jinx hypatialol
[7/10/2008 9:53:20 PM] hypatia says: and people wonder why the the Dems are not seen as having a moral center
[7/10/2008 9:53:50 PM] hypatia says: There was a seismic shift today.
[7/10/2008 9:53:56 PM] oz says: We have no leaders in the Democrat party just a couple the rest are reps
[7/10/2008 9:56:33 PM] oz says: 😡
[7/10/2008 9:57:31 PM] oz says: (bow)
[7/10/2008 9:58:42 PM] Jezzie says: yes oz
[7/10/2008 9:59:22 PM] Jezzie says: we are complacent
[7/10/2008 10:00:37 PM] hypatia says: I think that we should hold “craft-ins” at congress and senate offices.
[7/10/2008 10:00:54 PM] hypatia says: I am making beaded jewelry to sell at the Farmers Market.
[7/10/2008 10:01:05 PM] oz says: yes but slowly
[7/10/2008 10:01:06 PM] hypatia says: I could do that and occupy someone’s office at the same time.
[7/10/2008 10:01:15 PM] oz says: they seem like they don’t know what to do
[7/10/2008 10:01:33 PM] oz says: yes thats a worry bill
[7/10/2008 10:01:42 PM] hypatia says: Compare Provisions of Hitler’s laws with FISA Amendments act of 2008: http://www.indybay. org/newsitems/ 2008/07/06/ 18514030. php From lc
[7/10/2008 10:01:50 PM] oz says: Kalr rove thumbed his nose at conyers today
[7/10/2008 10:01:57 PM] oz says: Karl
[7/10/2008 10:02:00 PM] oz says: arrrg
[7/10/2008 10:02:16 PM] hypatia says: They are going after inherent contempt against Rove.
[7/10/2008 10:03:11 PM] oz says: http://therealnews. com/t/index. php?option= com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=1862&updaterx=2008- 07-10+13% 3A29%3A38
[7/10/2008 10:03:28 PM] LegalCharades says: FISA Amendment Act “A Better Bill””: http://www.newspape rtree.com/ opinion/2572- reyes-fisa- amendments- act-a-better- bill
[7/10/2008 10:03:38 PM] oz says: :@
[7/10/2008 10:04:07 PM] hypatia says: appropriate emoticon, oz
[7/10/2008 10:04:10 PM] oz says: hypatiayou are so right They are sitting on Conyers
[7/10/2008 10:04:18 PM] LegalCharades says: Fact sheet on FISA: http://online. wsj.com/article/ SB12139136094929 0049.html? mod=googlenews_ wsj
[7/10/2008 10:04:24 PM] Jezzie says: (u)
[7/10/2008 10:04:26 PM] oz says: They told him he is history if he dosen’t back off
[7/10/2008 10:04:47 PM] hypatia says: lol nell
[7/10/2008 10:05:00 PM] hypatia says: hey, nell, the fund is up to $140!
[7/10/2008 10:05:00 PM] oz says: The BlueDems and the pukes will trash him!
[7/10/2008 10:05:26 PM] LegalCharades says: I callled the entire Congressional Black Caucus today
[7/10/2008 10:05:37 PM] hypatia says: what did you say, lc?
[7/10/2008 10:05:44 PM] LegalCharades says: I called Robert Wexler
[7/10/2008 10:06:11 PM] LegalCharades says: I called my own Rep. Shelley Berkeley
[7/10/2008 10:07:18 PM] Jezzie says: i’m not on the dems team
[7/10/2008 10:07:24 PM] LegalCharades says: I called the entire Congressional Black Caucus
[7/10/2008 10:07:45 PM] Jezzie says: i love kucinich
[7/10/2008 10:08:19 PM] LegalCharades says: I asked them to stand in support of Wexler’s demand for Statutory Contempt title 2 USC section 192
[7/10/2008 10:08:28 PM] hypatia says: what, Cherri????
[7/10/2008 10:08:31 PM] LegalCharades says: And the Inherent Contempt
[7/10/2008 10:08:33 PM] hypatia says: that’s obscene
[7/10/2008 10:09:19 PM] Jezzie says: thats what i thought
[7/10/2008 10:09:23 PM] hypatia says: I think that Dennis the k was given the OK to introduce one article today.
[7/10/2008 10:09:39 PM] hypatia says: So the Dems can LOOK like they are attending to business.
[7/10/2008 10:09:48 PM] hypatia says: while they postpone it
[7/10/2008 10:09:50 PM] hypatia says: LMAO
[7/10/2008 10:10:30 PM] hypatia says: The process has been co-opted
[7/10/2008 10:10:34 PM] Jezzie says: it will be one soon, Idacta
[7/10/2008 10:10:44 PM] hypatia says: looool
[7/10/2008 10:10:55 PM] LegalCharades says: Kucinich: Impeachment not off the table: http://www.scoop. co.nz/stories/ HL0806/S00290. htm
[7/10/2008 10:11:22 PM] Jezzie says: lc, so great hypatiabrought u here, hugs
[7/10/2008 10:12:24 PM] hypatia says: I agree, Bill.
[7/10/2008 10:12:48 PM] Jezzie says: i agree, Idacta
[7/10/2008 10:12:56 PM] Smartquestions says: We need the entire Congress exposed!
[7/10/2008 10:12:56 PM] hypatia says: looool
[7/10/2008 10:13:11 PM] Jezzie says: right cherri
[7/10/2008 10:14:14 PM] hypatia says: sound going bad
[7/10/2008 10:14:28 PM] hypatia says: echoes for me
[7/10/2008 10:14:58 PM] hypatia says: better now
[7/10/2008 10:15:22 PM] LegalCharades says: Pelosi: House Judiciary Committee may hold impeachment Hearings: http://www.huffingt onpost.com/ 2008/07/10/ pelosi-house- judiciary- co_n_111976. html?page= 2
[7/10/2008 10:17:12 PM] LegalCharades says: Pelosii says Impeachment is a go
[7/10/2008 10:17:17 PM] LegalCharades says: http://www.huffingt onpost.com/ 2008/07/10/ pelosi-house- judiciary- co_n_111976. html?page= 2
[7/10/2008 10:18:44 PM] hypatia says: hell, Idacta
[7/10/2008 10:19:05 PM] LegalCharades says: Did you read that Deb
[7/10/2008 10:19:37 PM] Jezzie says: well this is my same feeling about the u.s. govt — that it has a shadow frame as a system
[7/10/2008 10:19:53 PM] hypatia says: yes
[7/10/2008 10:19:58 PM] LegalCharades says: ok
[7/10/2008 10:19:59 PM] hypatia says: not yet lc
[7/10/2008 10:20:04 PM] LegalCharades says: oh
[7/10/2008 10:20:07 PM] Jezzie says: what we call a shadow govt
[7/10/2008 10:20:08 PM] LegalCharades says: http://www.huffingt onpost.com/ 2008/07/10/ pelosi-house- judiciary- co_n_111976. html?page= 2
[7/10/2008 10:20:26 PM] hypatia says: read it
[7/10/2008 10:22:32 PM] hypatia says: McCain’s top ten ways to KILL IRANIANS http://www.huffingt onpost.com/ andy-borowitz/ mccain-issues- top-ten-fun_ b_111631. html
[7/10/2008 10:22:43 PM] hypatia says: holy crap!
[7/10/2008 10:24:02 PM] LegalCharades says: under the FISA Amendments there is no Telecom immunity
[7/10/2008 10:24:53 PM] Jezzie says: right, karen
[7/10/2008 10:26:02 PM] hypatia says: all the more reason for localizing
[7/10/2008 10:26:06 PM] LegalCharades says: House passes FISA Amendments with no Telecom immunity: http://www.betanews .com/article/ House_passes_ FISA_amendments_ without_telecom_ immunity/ 1195252916
[7/10/2008 10:26:25 PM] Jezzie says: right, cherry
[7/10/2008 10:26:32 PM] Jezzie says: obama is a decoy
[7/10/2008 10:26:53 PM] hypatia says: the favorite stalling tactic of politicians is “sending it to committee” or “ordering a study.”
[7/10/2008 10:27:18 PM] Jezzie says: good point deb
[7/10/2008 10:27:56 PM] hypatia says: ty nell
[7/10/2008 10:28:27 PM] hypatia says: yes, cooptation is how social movements are destroyed
[7/10/2008 10:28:32 PM] hypatia says: or crippled
[7/10/2008 10:28:49 PM] hypatia says: the right has made it seem like a lot more happened in the 60s than really happened
[7/10/2008 10:29:32 PM] LegalCharades says: FISA amendments vote on July 8: dump Telecom retroactive Immunity!: http://www.freegovi nfo.info/ node/1923
[7/10/2008 10:29:40 PM] kalena says: Read Herbert Marcuse, One Dimensional Man.
[7/10/2008 10:29:41 PM] hypatia says: occupy someone’s office!
[7/10/2008 10:29:48 PM] hypatia says: I love Marcuse
[7/10/2008 10:30:02 PM] kalena says: Me Too. Eros and Civilization.
[7/10/2008 10:30:04 PM] oz says: Cry havoc and let slip the dogs ofsocial revolution to socialism?
[7/10/2008 10:30:10 PM] hypatia says: he has helped me understand much of what’s going on
[7/10/2008 10:30:15 PM] kalena says: Me too.
[7/10/2008 10:30:21 PM] hypatia says: I just learned about “surplus repression”
[7/10/2008 10:30:35 PM] kalena says: I need a refresher on what that means.
[7/10/2008 10:30:52 PM] hypatia says: More social control than needed for capitalism to work effectively. ..
[7/10/2008 10:30:59 PM] hypatia says: as in right wing xtian fundamentalism
[7/10/2008 10:34:30 PM] oz says: http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=TXFMCa2hS4c
[7/10/2008 10:34:52 PM] LegalCharades says: Yes I have seen that
[7/10/2008 10:35:12 PM] LegalCharades says: thanks
[7/10/2008 10:35:41 PM] hypatia says: good?
[7/10/2008 10:35:45 PM] hypatia says: okies
[7/10/2008 10:36:08 PM] oz says: http://www.imdb. com/title/ tt0492931/
[7/10/2008 10:36:21 PM] hypatia says: he left
[7/10/2008 10:37:22 PM] hypatia says: cool Oz!
[7/10/2008 10:38:20 PM] Jezzie says: sounds cool
[7/10/2008 10:38:24 PM] hypatia says: Paltalk also works for Macs now
[7/10/2008 10:38:39 PM] hypatia says: but the video quality would not be good unless you paid
[7/10/2008 10:38:55 PM] hypatia says: so forget it LOL
[7/10/2008 10:39:37 PM] hypatia says: “reality” shows
[7/10/2008 10:39:42 PM] hypatia says: dancing shows
[7/10/2008 10:39:52 PM] Jezzie says: no, not at all, ozy
[7/10/2008 10:39:59 PM] hypatia says: YAY!
[7/10/2008 10:40:03 PM] hypatia says: awwww!
[7/10/2008 10:40:15 PM] hypatia says: IOU you some answers, sq!
[7/10/2008 10:40:18 PM] hypatia says: WOW cool!
[7/10/2008 10:42:41 PM] hypatia says: night all!
[7/10/2008 10:42:47 PM] oz says: (hug)
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